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midnightcarousel |
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June 29, 2010 07:37:22pm |
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GratefulDead
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Re: kids and the Dead |
I'm 20, I grew up with my dad playing Dead tapes all the time. Around age 12 I got really into them but couldn't really handle long jams - I really just liked their singing and style, esp. on short cowboy songs like big river and me and my uncle. It wasn't till college when I actually bothered to listen to live dead all the way through, and that was it - I'm now a more bona fide deadhead than my dad ever was (I'm slowly getting him up to speed though).
I usually achieve little success when trying to turn my friends on to their jamming, although many of my buddies appreciate the catchier songs. It's one of those things where it sort of has to be the Right Moment, the stars have to be aligned right or whatever, for the music to really hit you in your soul for the first time.
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micah6vs8 |
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June 29, 2010 07:50:48pm |
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Re: kids and the Dead |
I sound like an old fart here ( but I don't care ) , MC how , from your viewpoint , does your peer group look upon GD , and the scene in general ?
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ringolevio |
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June 30, 2010 05:19:19am |
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Re: kids and the Dead |
Didn't someone post a poll here about this, awhile back - I mean, it wasn't a poll of Forum members but a poll someone found in a news source somwhere. Anyone remember? Ages, income brackets, religious persuasion etc. correlated with approval of the Grateful Dead? (Or did I dream this?)
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madmonkmcphee |
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June 30, 2010 12:25:08pm |
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@ micah6vs.8: I'm a 28 year old who lives and plays music (drums) in the bay area. I'm very musically influenced by GD, but just about every time I mention GD to my friends the response is almost always negative. Most of my music friends are in to metal, and that's fine, but they can't seem to venture out of the metal genre for 20 seconds. Seems like all they want to hear and play is very loud, distorted, chunky music. I too was in a metal band like this and I had to call it quits because playing loud all the time is not fun for me. Anyway, it seems my friends just can't get past the "hippie" stereotype and won't even give Grateful Dead a chance. Oh well, sucks for them
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midnightcarousel |
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June 30, 2010 09:00:42pm |
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Re: kids and the Dead |
For the most part, no one my age knows the music of the dead, at least beyond american beauty and workingman's dead. even live dead is pretty much beyond their realm of awareness.
Not that some of them couldn't dig it - I think most people just don't even know how much the dead have to offer in comparison with album-driven bands of the 90's and 00's. They haven't been exposed to improvisational music, so they don't know what it's about - furthermore, most people my age don't even have any idea that the dead WERE an improvisation-centric group; they think of them as hippie dippies who got 3 or 4 good albums out and then went on tour for 3 decades with the same 20 or 30 songs. It's a cold, painful musical world on college campuses.
What i wish is not that these people would all suddenly start listening to the dead, but that more rock groups would be willing to venture into the territory that the dead started bushwhacking. I know there are some "jam bands" out there but from what I've heard their jamming isn't particularly adventurous. I want a group where the members have real creative chemistry and can turn people on to the improvisational music scene.
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micah6vs8 |
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June 30, 2010 10:30:13pm |
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Re: kids and the Dead |
Thanks monk and MC
Is there a general lack of melody in recent ' pop ' ( for lack of a better word ) music ? ' Rock ' w/ out a blues base is pretty soulless .
For my peer group music was extremely important , living so close to the blaze begun in the 60's . We always felt like we had to catch up to keep are musical head above water . Then perish the thought of anything post , The Wall ( huge piece of Roger Waters tripe ) having any musical relevance ( that sounds sort of like a post '95 barrier ). The Dead were not even close to being on the radar . Nirvana was our generations big collective FU to the baby boomers who had smothered us with their culture . Not that there are some gems ( duh , GD ) but it is nice to be able to pick and choose , rather then have to take the whole deal . The Baby Booms , Lots of them . Big Generation .
I agree that most ' jam ' bands have not caught my attention . However, I have gone backward in time in my listening interests for the last several years ( mostly due to a bad case of jazz ). I have , sadly , no clue what new music is being created ( outside of artists I already follow ) .
MC - college life seems so ... so.. I can't find the right word
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midnightcarousel |
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July 01, 2010 07:34:38pm |
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Re: kids and the Dead |
On reading that post I think maybe i'm being a bit cynical. There are definitely dead fans scattered about but they are not very common at all, and i've never met anyone with dead fervor even close to matching mine.
Once in a while I can find a (sometimes stoned) friend or two to relax and listen to an hour or two of dead jams while playing cards or talking, and most seem to enjoy it, or at least it doesn't make them crazy.
But when i put the dead on in the car with my friends they moan and complain and say they are falling asleep. i have access to all this incredible music, it kills me that i have no one to share it with who really appreciates it! At least i know i've found the right girl to shack up with, if i meet a woman who really understands and loves the dead, or learns to. Not likely in my lifetime though :(
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micah6vs8 |
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July 01, 2010 08:32:34pm |
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No no no MC . She's waiting . Where the hell are you ? ;)
My wife and I both have the infection so that is simpatico . However , both sides of are family think we have a mild form of insanity .
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Jim F |
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July 01, 2010 11:37:13pm |
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Re: kids and the Dead |
Hippie chicks are fun to date, but they ain't the marryin' type, believe me.
Lol I'm just kidding. I know a lot of fabulous, intelligent, kind, and beautiful hippie/deadhead women. I also just happen to know a ton of batshit crazy ones, too. :P
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AltheaRose |
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July 02, 2010 11:18:13am |
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Think of it this way, MC. Right now, listening to the Dead is equivalent to someone in college in, say, 1980 listening to a jazz band that toured from 1935 to 1965. How's that for perspective? (Yikes!)
Of course, there are always a few people around who listen to music much older than themselves. Bluegrass musicians can be pretty obsessed with Stanley Bros, Carter Family, etc. Jazz fans can wax eloquent about the 40s and 50s. But I'd bet a college student who is really into, say, Miles Davis would be every bit as frustrated as you are in terms of finding people with sympatico tastes. People who are deeply knowledgeable about styles of music that aren't "of the moment" aren't your typical college kids! They're on the "afficianado" level, be it jazz, showtunes, bluegrass, Dead, folk, classical, whatever.
And really, the Dead were ALWAYS kind of obscure, and always dismissed by the mainstream (when the mainstream even noticed), even at their so-called height of popularity. What's amazing to me is that people who never saw the band do get into it at all ... really a testimony to the power of the music. So I'm betting you'll manage to find or convert the right 21st century hippie chick someday :-)
And hey, at least you probably find more people who are willing to listen to the Dead than if you were, say, a 20-year-old opera lover!
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midnightcarousel |
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July 02, 2010 01:04:24pm |
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Re: kids and the Dead |
all good points - i sincerely appreciate the input!
I happen to be a jazz lunatic as well, esp. thelonious monk, coltrane, eric dolphy and charles mingus. And you're right, it's way harder for friends to get into that than the dead. (Incidentally I also love opera, but i'm not obsessed with it.)
I am pretty open-minded to music from "now," it's just that most of it fails utterly to impress me. Perhaps a band of my generation will emerge and blow everybody away, including deadheads!
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micah6vs8 |
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July 02, 2010 01:57:22pm |
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Re: kids and the Dead |
Are you one of my lost children ? You can come over anytime and talk / listen to any of that good music .
Please try ,
Bill Evans , The Complete Village Vanguard Recordings , 1961
Amazon has some excellent reviews of this wonderful music .
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midnightcarousel |
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July 02, 2010 02:46:25pm |
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Re: kids and the Dead |
yeah! evans is indeed one of the all time greats and i own that recording along with perhaps 10-20 other albums of his. i was a jazz piano major when i first entered college (have since switched to math...not sure how that happened) so that's what that's about.
email = [edit: removed] if you want to chat more about music
This post was modified by midnightcarousel on 2010-07-02 21:46:25
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micah6vs8 |
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July 02, 2010 02:24:53pm |
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Re: kids and the Dead |
I will MC
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AltheaRose |
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July 02, 2010 01:47:48pm |
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Re: kids and the Dead |
Yes, I like jazz and opera, too (and bluegrass, classical, etc) ... interesting how all that can go with the Dead ... I think it was Phil in an interview who said the challenge a lot of people have with the Dead, as well as jazz etc, is that you have to listen into it and not past it. I think that's true. To me, most popular music is pretty much, "there's the hook, there's the melody, here it comes again, now once more, bang bang it's done." Boooooring. There's nothing to actually listen to.
But then, that's always been the case. Truly good music has always been the specks of gold amid lots of sand and gravel. Of course, I do think there it's easier to find the gold in some eras than others; we don't seem to be in a very interesting music cycle right now, though I'm not really in touch. But if so, maybe we're about due for a good cycle again. Let's hope so!
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